So big a spoiler I won't put it in the title
The third season of "Lost" is over and much like the first two seasons, the Jack-centric finale has left us with even MORE questions than we had before it.
But it also left us with a twist so memorable, it will surely go down in TV history.
Don't click in the talkback unless you want to be SPOILED. And Ha ha - I get to write this sentence first....
But it also left us with a twist so memorable, it will surely go down in TV history.
Don't click in the talkback unless you want to be SPOILED. And Ha ha - I get to write this sentence first....
posted by Germain at 12:15 AM
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"THEY GET OFF THE ISLAND."
I said it. The survivors of Oceanic 815 offically get off the island as you all saw in the HUUUUUGE climax to the season.
Here are my burning questions and thoughts?
1. Whose funeral did Jack go to and who is Kate married to in the future? If Jack is neither "friend nor family" but thought Kate might be there, it can't be Sawyer cause we assume that's who she is married too.
2. Jack doesn't think they should have left the island. It was a mistake. He wants to go back. Is there anything to go back to? Is this flashback in the ultimate future or just the immediate future?
3. Back to the present, are the natives immortal? That Mikail sure has died a bunch of times. And lets not forget "I haven't aged a day Richard." Maybe that's what makes this island so special, it's a fountain of youth or some sort.
4. Who does Naomi work for? We find out that it's not Penny Widmore thanks to RIP Charlie (a fact that will be largely forgotten because of the huge twist at the end but Charlie is dead folks). Are the people she works for coming to the island to kill everyone?
5. What was Penny doing in front of some random transmission sending thingie?
6. What is John Locke's destiny? He's obviously more in tune with the island than we know.
7. If Ben is right and people can't leave the island, why were they so quick to let Michael and Walt go?
8. The surviving Others are going to "The Temple," according to Richard. Does this temple have anything to do with the four toed statue from last year?
I could go on and on but I think thats a good start.
Amazing. By far the best 2 hours of television i've seen in the last few years. Easily rivals 24 at it's best.
Even when Kate appeared at the end, it took me a few seconds to understand what the hell I was watching!
Here are my questions:
1. Does the next season start with them off the island?
2. Are they going to continue giving us flashbacks? Or are we going to start getting flashforwards?
3. Jack mentioned bringing his father down to see who was drunker... Is Jack's father alive? Or was Jack just really fudged up.
4. It seemed to imply that Jack had been to more than one, or a couple funerals? Are all of the Losties dying off ala "Final Destination?"
5. Where are Walt and Michael? I really suspected they would've shown back up by now.
6. Is it possible we're seeing Desmond's vision of the future by any chance?
7. How does this all fit in with the passengers of 815 all being dead supposedly?
Some thoughts:
I would guess it's Locke or Ben's funeral. Niether are friend or family to Jack.
The natives would definitely seem to immortal from Mikail never dying to the other guy who hasn't aged since Ben was a kid.
All in all, fucking awesome episode! I've only finally calmed down from watching it, but i think i'm going to need to watch it again real soon.
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Wow. What an amazing episode. I haven't said "oh shit!" that many times since... I dunno when. Last time I re-watched so many scenes was the BSG finale -- some things you just gotta see twice before you believe what you're seeing!
Scenes I watched twice:
-LOSTies whooping some Others ass in the early dyn-o-mite scene. Jin, you disappoint me. GO BACK TO CHINA.
-Hurley to the rescue!! Soooo good!!!
-Jack knockin' the SMACK outta Benry. Thank the gods, it's about damn time that creep caught another beatin'.
-Desmond my brotha, takin' down Mikael!
-Locke is back! And... now he's... gone again.
Questions:
-Naomi = Hanso Foundation, or working for Penny's father? She was searching for Desmond and only Desmond... For someone who nearly died trying to get on to the island, she sure is easygoing with the discovery of 1.) 815 surviving, and 2.) hostiles runnin' around. She must know more than she let on, no doubt. But will we ever know now that's she's D-E-D?
-If what Benry says is true, and the sat phone brings badness to the island, does that mean next season we'll see the Others and LOSTies joining forces? That's provided the flashforwards aren't immediately following the "rescue" we're led to believe is about to happen in the current island timeline.
-Follow up to the previous question: if the LOSTies DO get off the island right after the finale, then what in the hell could make Jack wanna go back? Is it what Benry says, about having nothing to go home to? Which leads me to G's question...
-Who the F is in that coffin? Locke or Benry are great answers I think, and I agree, it's probably not Sawyer (subquestion: if Sawyer is the one who answered the phone when Jack called Kate, why does he have beef with him, other than the fact that he might know Jack loves Kate and maybe even vice versa?). It looked like a pretty slim coffin... so Benry's my #1 guess, Kate didn't look all that pleased when she read the newspaper... Could it be Juliet? Is Walt a possibility?
-Dude. Why didn't Charlie leave the control room and lock the door from the OUTSIDE? Or why didn't he swim out of the porthole, which totally looked big enough for a hobbit-sized manboy?
-Sawyer killing Tom in cold blood (after crying and puking over killing Locke's ratbastard of a father) -- how does that affect Juliet and her ties to both the Others and the LOSTies? Can Juliet be trusted?
-Gold Passes? Sweet! But wait -- didn't Oceanic go bankrupt after 815 crashed? Wasn't there a Paramount-backed website that said they went outta business? (see: http://oceanic-air.com/)
-MAN Walt is OLD. Why him? Because of the S1 connection? Real Walt or island-spectre Walt?
-Where did that kiss between Jack and Juliet come from? Think it was the first time?
-Can Penny be trusted? How would she have a perfect, clean connection to the island at that very moment the signal was clear? Is she that good, or is she another collaborator?
-If all the flashbacks are really flashforwards, why isn't Kate in jail?
Btw, REALLY like the idea that the flashforwards are actually Desmond's vision of the future. Nice idea!
Just gotta say it again. Wow.
j.
Chang - the flashbacks are NOT ALL flashforwards, this was the first one. At least thats what I thought.
It was island Walt but I think they will be back.
GREAT point about Oceanic going out of business.
And I didn't think about Naomi knowing Desmond's name. Must work for Mr. Widmore, who has a stake in the Dharma Foundation.
Wow. Wow. Wow.
Jaw dropped the entire time... AND, I have to admit to accidentally stumbling on to the MEGA-spoiler online (seriously, people were real jerks about this shit on message boards!).
STILL!
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!
1. We know that they get off the island... but, the real question is WHEN? Their rescue was never shown last night. That'd be kind of a big deal to show... so, MAYBE, they didn't get rescued this time. Or, maybe they're just waiting to show us next season?
2. The Temple?!?!?!
3. How satisfying was it to watch Jack beat Ben to within an inch of his life?
4. Furthermore, how satisfying was it to see the Losties kill the Others at the beach?
5. Andrew, I think you might be on the right track now... I'm guessing that the show's schematic may be changing now. Instead of flash-backs, now flash-forwards? This could either be a really interesting direction...or, this could be where LOST jumps the Dharma Shark.
6. If Walt is back on the Island that must mean it was impossible for he and his father to get off... so, then, how can Naomi's freighter find the island???
7. I'm guessing Naomi works for Mr. Widmore. That seems to be the safest bet at this point.
Good god, I could go on and on and on.... Let's be real here, if next season STARTS with them OFF the island... there's a TON of unanswered questions left out there!
January 2008 can't come soon enough!
Some thoughts from my brother/myself.
WALT - Walt is not back on the island. Like Shannon saw him earlier last season, like Jack saw his dad, like Eko saw his brother, something on the island lets people see visions. Maybe this is Jacob. Maybe "Walt" was Jacob telling Locke what to do. But either way, that was island Walt, not real Walt.
JACKS DAD - The whole future thing was put in major question because Jack kept referring to his Dad. He's dead right? Well - if the island makes people immortal (in one way or another) and Jack's dad's body was on the plane, did he actually come back to life? Or is Future Jack just nutty. He's probably just nutty but still. The body was on the plane and Locke and Rose were healed right?
THE SHOW ITSELF - I don't think we get alot more flashforwards. Like last season, we went "off the island" for a second as the big finale. I have a feeling this will be like that - one isolated off shoot teasing us for events upcoming.
Here's another question: Is it possible that one or more of the "flashbacks" that we have seen for different characters in previous episodes may have actually been flash-fowards? And we just weren't meant to realize it at the time?
I doubt it. But what made me think this, was the Kate episode where she breaks into the bank to steal the toy plane. That never made sense to me, but as a flashforward (maybe further than what we saw last night) maybe it does? Maybe it was Jack's plane?
I don't know. Just thinking outloud.
Andrew, thats a valid question to ask but I think pretty much every single flashback has had a specific reference or connection to the island.
For example, the plane you said was owned by Kate's first true love and she has it with her on the island, so it cant be a flashforwrad
I dunno man, I think Andrew could be right -- some flashbacks MAY be flashforwards if looked at in another context. Of course, how they would ever make that obvious for all audiences is beyond me, unless they source old footage in future eps.
Dude, of all the countless things I wanna see outta LOST, right now I really wanna know about the four-toed statue and get some clarification on whether or not the Others know more about the smoke monster...
Count this as my vote that Jack's is the first FLASH-FORWARD!
It doesn't make any schematic (or thematic) sense for them to have flash forwards before last night's episode.
Sorry I'm getting into this late in the game, where's GAMGEE? He texted me last night so I know he watched.
Anyway, my thoughts/reactions to what's been discussed.
--I'm definitely of the opinion that it was "island" Walt he saw (who does look significantly older now), but the whole Locke can't walk, then he can, then he can't, then he can again! Huh? And we're seeing more of the island's "healing" powers, I mean, he WAS shot in the chest! (and don't give me that he was shot where his missing kidney is!)
--Ben would be my guess for the coffin as well. This however raises an interesting question. A friend of mine at work seemed to be very much of the opinion that not everyone from the island GETS OFF the island. He says that was the way he read the episode. Did anyone else think about this? I didn't for the record. His point was that in a "boy who cried wolf" scenario, this time Ben WAS actually telling the truth, and knew something really bad would happen. Food for thought.
--Germain, you said in response to Chang "the flashbacks are NOT ALL flashforwards, this was the first one. At least thats what I thought." What do you mean here? I thought all of the "flashbacks" from LAST night's episode were actually flash forwards, proven by the last one. Am I reading what you said wrong, or is there something else you're on to here?
--The LOSTies fighting back was definitely the most rousing moment of the series thus far.
--Am I the only one that thought Kate looked fucking AMAZING when she steps out of that car at the end? Damn, Dharma needs to drop some makeup on the island so she can always look like that. That brings me to another point. I suggested to Andrew last night that perhaps next season(s) will be about connecting these two points now. But knowing LOST, I think its a good idea as G brought up, that that was just a tease, and we'll have to wait for any concrete explanation.
--The "Temple" and the four toed statue foot BETTER be related.
Pete
Alright, I'm really not trying to sound like a dick here, but I don't see how it's not obvious that this was not just the first "flash-forward" episode, but the first of 48 that will direct the course of the rest of the show.
The finale was titled "Through the Looking Glass" and that's not just a reference to the underwater Dharma station; LOST has crossed over, through a threshold, into an entirely new perspective from which we will now see everything. Just 2 weeks ago the producers talked about how much we've learned about who these characters were before the island, and now, with 3 16-episode seasons left to go, that we will learn more about who these people are and *who they will become*. At the end of three season, with three more to go, LOST is at its halfway point. In conclusion, I don't see any other interpretation other than that from this point onwards, flashbacks will be flash-forwards; We will see the continuing island story, the "present," but instead of looking back into these characters' pasts, we will see their futures. The island is now the flashback.
Reading back on what the producers said about the overall arc of the characters, I can't believe I didn't see this coming. All I know is that last night delivered the most satisfying, surprising, rewarding, gut-wrenching LOST episode ever. It completely floored me, and for the next 9 months I will be anticipating this second phase of the show -- the crossing of the threshold to another perspective, and another chapter of the story entirely.
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Will the flashback structure be part of the show going forward?
LINDELOF: Let's have that conversation after the finale.
EW: Does the finale set up season four?
CUSE: Yes. The finale clearly sets up season four of the show, and hopefully in doing so, people will see there is still a lot of storytelling left in Lost and will feel really good about the 48 number.
LINDELOF: And it will make you realize that the house you are standing in actually has a lot more rooms than you thought when you came into it.
Samwise!
Finally!
Dude, agreed. The schematic of the show is changing with "flash-forwards" now permanently being part of the structure.
Frankly, this could be genius.
I actually think Kate looks hotter on the island with less makeup than she does with makeup off the island... if only she'd get rid of that HH sweat-stained tank top of hers...
And am I the only who's attracted to Alex? Dude that girl is cute!
And Claire looks much hotter these days too... Also dug that brunette in the underwater station, too bad she dead.
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